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Posted - 2007.08.19 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 19/08/2007 19:01:37
If a minor is spotted in a bar the bartender pays a $50,000 fine plus 1 year of jail. The Bar pays a minimum of $100,000 depending on the severity of the crime and they lose their liquor license.
Since cities hand out only a limited amount of liquor licenses bars don't want to risk the loss of one because that could lead to the loss of your client base.
When my boss bought the Donnely Club up by McCall in Idaho she dished out $200,000 for the license alone.
Needless to say we were reminded almost daily to check ID if you suspect the person isn't of age.
Back in the '60's the legal drinking age used to be 18. The US brought it to 21 to reduce alcohol abuse. This is mostly in part that we're surrounded by conservatives. Take Utah for example, they can't even sell beer at a gas station. They have the 'private' clubs that you have to sign up for but the liquor that they serve in those clubs have a average lower alcohol content compared to the same product that you can by in any of the other surrounding states.
The US is the only country with a ge limit that high. You outta go to china where there is no limit.
And I've been ****** up on beer, wine, liquor. You name it, I've done something stupid under it's influence.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 19:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Gaira TwinSuns
And get avian flu no thanks but take for example a croccery store IE: Giant SafeWay yadayada cannot sell alchohol. Can only be bought at liquor stores which I and some few friends believe is having to do something with mafia
Gas stations (atleast around here) can sell beer but again you need a liquor license to sell liquor. Bars, Liquor stores, and even grocery stores can acquire these licenses.
Dont like China and it's beauty? Try Armenia, Azerbaijan, Fiji, Nigeria, Poland (some exceptions apply), Portugal, Soviet Georgia, Thailand, Viet Nam.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Phiend
Despite popular belief, in ALOT of states it not illegal for someone under 21 to consume alcohol.
However, in all states it IS illegal for them to purchase it and in many states its illegal for them to have it in their possession.
But in a lot of states, drinking it is not illegal. So if you are in one of those key states where it is not illegal for it to be in your possession, nor is it illegal for you to consume it, your in the clear. You'd be suprised how many states fall under that.
Please enlighten us and name some of these states.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Reiisha
Edited by: Reiisha on 20/08/2007 03:28:18
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
EDIT: I thought it was worth mentioning; I do not drink, I do not smoke (nor have I ever done the above), and I've only gotten frisky a handful of times. Self-control is a wonderful thing people, exercise it.
Hear hear.
No smoking, no alcohol, no drugs or whatever for as long as i've lived.
The only exception: 1 bottle of champagne at new year (of which i'm not even getting slightly drunk... Bless my physique). Started that habit at 15 or so...
Its good to hear that there are other like-minded people out there; I was beginning to think I was alone.
I used to be a raging alcoholic, especially in my bartending years but I gave that up about 5 years back and got into a great future.
I still smoke and am unsuccesfully trying to quit. Wish I had never started as I don't enjoy coughing up a lung each morning or not being able to run more than 10ft while playing paintball.
I do however enjoy the friskey although I am careful as hell about it. I will never do a one night stand or have sex on a first date. Personally I like the idea of being STD and child free (for the time being).
Either way I could care less about what age you can drink at because IMO even if it's 18 there will still be kids breaking the law. I mean I had 18 year olds buying me packs of smokes which made them feel like the cool kids so of course they're gonna buy alcohol for the youngn's. Most guys in their mid 20's do the same now but they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think).
The only real fight you'll have for reducing the age limit in the US is against M.A.D.D. cause they will fight it tooth and nail.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 20/08/2007 04:14:21
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
they've generally got the secret master plan to get some 17 year old chick drunk to take advantage (you can't tell me that aint true, I know how guys think)
Ugh, i'm 20 and i'm rather disturbed by that thought. Look i'll admit younger age groups do have a higher percentage of people who are irresponsible with these things, but it's a bit unfair to assume everyone is this way.
Yes, I drink from time to time but i never get drunk. I have another friend who won't drink more then half a can of light bear. I also know people who overdo it "Dan Nolastnamegiven". Yet, just the same there are people over 40 who are just as irresponsible "i do have certain people in mind when i say this".
Although the percentages are a bit skewed, it's a bit unfair to lump every individual together by age group. Especially when you admit yourself you haven't ever drank. I mean to be fair I wouldn't say being a mechanic is easy if i've never worked on a car in my life.
For starters, I just admitted I used to be a raging alcoholic. I didn't start drinking until I was 21 and I almost stopped at my first drink until my drunken friend showed me the art of drinking (on the roof of our house no less). I then spent the next 4 years drunk everyday from the moment I got up until the moment I passed out. This included being drunk at work.
And I didn't include the entire age group into that bracket. I know better than that. I know from experience of bartending though that most of the older drunks started at a pretty young age. I opened the bar at 7am in the morning and more than once did I have customers waiting for me when I showed up.
And I cannot say how many parties I've been to, mostly in the scummier parts of the city, where I show up and see 30 year old males and 15 year old females. Most of the time I just turned around and walked right back out.
With anything you have the good people and you have the bad people, which do you think gets noticed more?
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Posted - 2007.08.20 04:54:00 -
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Oh yes, I love hanging around friends when we were like "yeah, we had so much fun at that bar. Too bad we can't remember most of it"
And oh how many times I threw up in the downtown Denny's bathroom to the point I got banned from the place.
Or mocking the guy that ****ed his pants after he passed out because he couldn't even wake up to get into the restroom.
Not to mention the numerous items of value we smashed because it seemed funny at the time.
Setting our front porch on fire at 3am because we thought a BBQ would be a grand idea.
Playing William Tell with a compound bow...
I do remember one time that was really amusing. it was about 9 in the morning and 3 of us were already on our 4th 20 pack of cheap beer and we wanted to watch some mtv music video's while we hung out so we started switching channels and lo and behold the teletubbies came on. Talk about mesmerization. One friends GF later told us that we watched about 3 hours of that show like little kids.
Most of my ideals are more of a extreme case since there are varying degrees of stupidity.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
The reason for the the drinking age being 21 is because kids are too stupid to know that drinking and driving is a bad idea. Raising the age had an enormous effect on road safty. Its inappropriate to compare us to Europe because less people drive and in many countries driving is taken more seriously. Licenses are generally harder to get and easier to lose.
That is true. Before I met one of my friends 15 years ago, he had lost his father to a DUI accident. The whole family was headed up north for a trip when a 3 time DUI offender smashed into their car. His father died, his mother has had pins even to this day and still carries a limp, but him and his sister came out ok. The drunken driver was later charged with vehicular manslaughter I think.
Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
You absolutly cannot buy explosive anti-material rounds....I'm sure there is a permit that allows it, but I've never even heard of anyone having them.
And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
And actually you can. Just go to a gunshow when they come through town. It's pretty scary what you can pick up in those places. I picked up magnesium rounds for my shotgun once.
There are loopholes in the laws. You can still buy illegal armour piercing ammo.....as long as the ammo was produced prior to 1986 when it was banned. There's also issues with enforcment.
I don't think I'm wrong when I say that the specific ammo he mentioned isn't available in the US civilian market.
That is true. I know I can buy a drum for my AK but it has to be from a certain year since they were banned afterwards. Not that I would though, since the damn things take 40 minutes to load and about 2 minutes to unload. I'll stick to 30 round magazines and stripper clips.
As for alot of stuff the guy mention it is viable but you need a class 3 license and when you get one of those you end up on the FBI's watchlist so his argument isn't really viable when comparing it to drinking. If the FBI watched alcohol consumers they'd have a hell of a job on their hands.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:41:00 -
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Yaknow if by some miracle I actually have kids and I catch them smoking in their teens, I won't stop em. I'll just tell em to talk to me in 10 years and tell me how they still feel about smoking. And if they tell me that their not addicted to smoking I'll point out how cute they sound when they say that.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
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Alchohol and sex is something that should be done in moderation, and responsibly. This is something that the vast majority of people above 18 or so can handle just fine. Putting the drinking, smoking, and ******* age at 25 would be completely absurd.
Where do you live? Most people in our generation are handheld little pansies, damn near detached from reality. Just because a handful of individuals are capable of self control does not mean the masses are able to do the same.
So fix that problem instead of advocating against the symptoms of that problem.
That's easier said than done. With all the bleeding hearts out there you can't hardly discipline a child now without getting in trouble. And with school and other programs making it harder by telling each child that their special and unique and telling them that they can do no wrong makes it that much harder.
My friend gave my neice a little smack on the rear once in wal-mart while doing some shopping cause she was acting up and a complete stranger called social services on him for even that. To me it utter bull****. The more pampering we do the more Paris Hilton clones we're gonna end up with who have no regard for any one or anything other than whats in their little world.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: John McFly
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I hardly consider cooking a pumkin with a magnesium round 'basically fireworks'.
Aside from that I won't get into the gun topic. We're talking about the drinking age in this thread. If you wanna talk about guns dig up my thread titled 'from a gunowners point of view.
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